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Bellum Eternus
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Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:14:00 -
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I'm hearing that the material requirements to produce the ships have been changed (increased) but I think this is due to the upcoming changes related to moon mineral production and the redistribution of r64 materials etc. throughout the new framework.
Either way, I say just remove all insurance and be done with it. Problem solved.
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Bellum Eternus
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Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:18:00 -
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Worst case scenario:
T2 ships end up being reduced in price due to increased availability of moon minerals, Ishtars for example drop in price to 50-55m each and Platinum insurance for the Ishtar on SISI covers 52m, ending with a T2 HAC that is fully insurable.
RE-FRIGGIN-TARDED.
With current prices HACs aren't fully insurable with respect to what is available on SISI at the moment. What if ~52m ISK is the target price CCP wants HACs to be at and they're going to juggle material requirements and material availability to adjust the delivered price to this target?
I just looked at the Astarte's insurance: 34.5m to insure and payout is 115.198m ISK. I think that CCP is clearly looking at restructuring the cost of ships to fit them into a theoretical framework for hull costs.
Interestingly, the Legion's Platinum insurance costs 5.52m and pays out 18.4m on SISI.
The best way to handle this is to simply remove all insurance from the game, or at least remove all insurance from all characters over six months old. Insurance is bad, get rid of it.
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Bellum Eternus
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Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.10.01 20:10:00 -
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 Originally by: BiggestT
oh ffs can ppl read?
HINT:
PG2 BOTTOM, CCP REPLY, READ IT.
The sisi stats are in no way representative of a tq change, the real change will only be a few % 
Warp to zero was also 'purely an experiment' and 'something to ease travel time on SISI only', and look what happened.
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
The more I consider it, I'm beggining to see the awesomeness of Bellum's "remove insurance". There is essentially zero bad effects* to it, and it fixes the large imbalances regarding loss costs of ships, so on and on.
*No, people are not made to 'do more grinding to PVP'. They could PVP in smaller ships if they cannot fund flying larger. It's not such a outrageous proposition, you know. I learned my trade (piracy) and made my first billion flying Rifters. Sure, I couldn't compete with old and rich players flying nanoHACs, but with training and money I got there, too, after some time. The whole 'people would have to NPC more to make ISK for PVP then' is completely invalid, since you do not NEED to fly something outrageously expensive to PVP.
The whole 'what about the noobs' is solved by just retainint insurance for the first 90 days.
And suddenly Tiers on BCs & up, T1 v T2 prices, and a lot of other stuff make sense when insurance is removed.
Also removes suicide whines, since only ships which are really carrying stupid amounts of ISK with zero tanks get suicided. Those deserve to die.
+1 to the fold. Keep 'em coming.
But seriously, every time someone sees a game change that affects them personally in a negative way, they get all butt hurt about it. Why can't people see that a change like removing insurance doesn't affect *just them*. It will affect everyone equally. It's not like EANMs got a CPU increase and now their favorite ship can't use the fit anymore and it only affects that one particular ship. Insurance affects everyone, and in equal fashion.
In six months, people won't even notice it.
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2009.10.03 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Removing insurance would be interesting, but you'd need to rebalance some costs. BS would need to be made cheaper.
FFS. Why can't you people ('you people being all the idiots who can't grasp a simple concept) understand the fact that INSURANCE forces the current market prices of items like BATTLESHIPS?
Price of payout for platinum insurance - cost of platinum insurance = base battleship price. If you sell for less, it's COST EFFECTIVE to buy the ship, insure it and then SELF DESTRUCT IT for the insurance money.
So if you REMOVE INSURANCE then there is no minimum price that BS hulls can achieve. It's simply supply and demand at that point.
The SAME EXACT SITUATION that the T1 market is in is where the T2 market will end up once the moon minerals get uncorked by the new sov situation and the system upgrade stuff is in place. The low price floor will be dictated by insurance payouts.
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2009.10.03 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: MIND SCR4MBLER
<snipped for space, some very good points you've brought up>
I did a quick review of platinum insurance on SISI:
Ship / insurance cost / payout / minimum possible ship cost due to insurance
- Hyperion / 52.8m / 176m / 123.2m
- Megathron / 31.5m / 105m / 73.5m
- Redeemer / 60.6m / 202m / 141m
- Kronos / 91.4m / 304.5m / 213.1m
- Astarte / 34.5m / 115.2m / 80.7m
- Ishtar / 15.1m / 50.5m / 35.4m
- Arazu / 12.2m / 40.6m / 28.4m
I know that the devs have said 'this is just placeholder stuff and it's not going to TQ', but what if it does go to TQ? Or something similar?
If the new system upgrade game changes uncork moon minerals in the same fashion that invention uncorked T2 BPC availability then we're going to see a dramatic decrease in the cost of the raw moon materials and in turn the base cost of T2 components. Look at where T2 module prices are now compared to before invention. Sub-5m ISK Covert cloaks, Invuln IIs at 2m or so. It's crazy. That kind of pressure will be brought to bear against moon mineral prices if people have the ability to access even a tiny amount of rare moon minerals through system upgrade development.
With insurance CCP is ensuring that prices won't drop below a particular level, ever. People want super cheap ships? Remove insurance and remove the artificial floor for the ship prices.
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